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From all the releases in [[Boards of Canada]]'s early discography, the Old Tunes series ''([[A Few Old Tunes]] and [[Old Tunes Vol. 2]])'' and ''[[Boc Maxima (release)|Boc Maxima]]'' exist in a special state. As all three tapes were handmade and released by the duo themselves, they exist in limited quantities and are incredibly rare to acquire. Though they have never received reissues, all three tapes are widely available on the Internet and P2P networks, though in low quality. The reselling and ripping of these tapes in higher quality has attracted controversy. This page attempts to list some of these developments.
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== Timeline ==
 
== Timeline ==
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=== 2005 ===
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[[Hexagon_Sun_Official]] posted the following on [[WATMM]] on February 15, 2005, in response to the (subsequently cancelled) auction of original [[Old Tunes]] tapes on ebay by [[Prince Murat]];
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OK The reason it was jumped on was this: [[Warp]] and [[BOC]] have been in talks for a long while about<br>putting out a box set of old tracks from these tapes and others, with new packaging and art, to<br>be released sometime after the forthcoming record. The tapes were private comps given out to close<br>friends a few years ago, long before the band imagined there would be this kind of interest,<br>and long before the likes of Soulseek etc existed.<br>The tracks are out there now, nothing can be done about that, they've been circulating for a while<br>and fans have them, so the decision was taken to at least consider tidying them up and repackaging<br>them with decent exclusive artwork & more rarities. BOC never wanted these tracks presented this<br>way, mislabelled and as poor-quality MP3 files.<br>There's no 'hype', these comps were never listed on any old discogs as they were never intended<br>for mass release in the first place.<br>Now the intention is still to get round to scheduling a release of these tunes and other rare<br>comps, but unscrupulous people like '[[Prince Murat|prince murat]]' are obviously stealing the thunder of the<br>proposed releases, whilst trying to make a tidy profit in the process (a starting price of $799<br>speaks volumes about 'prince murat's true intentions. who is trying to profit from hype here?<br>if any money is going to be involved, surely the artist who wrote those tracks should be receiving<br>the royalties, and not this person? there's no difference between this kind of profiteering<br>and someone trying to sell a bootleg CDR of Beck's new album months prior to release.)<br>Anyway, now you know, we hope the intervention hasn't caused too much negative feeling,<br>after all the concern that [[Warp]] and [[BOC]] have is that basically it's going to spoil the<br>impact of a nice release that hopefully will be enjoyed by the fans.<br><br>-[[mark]], [[Hexagon Sun|hs]]
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=== 2011 ===
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In 2011, posts appeared on the review page for the [[A Few Old Tunes]] release on Discogs, claiming to be by recipients of the original cassette tapes from [[Mike]] and [[Marcus|Marcus Sandison]]. <ref>https://www.discogs.com/release/690476-A-Few-Old-Tunes/reviews/list, reviews for "A Few Old Tunes" on Discogs</ref>
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<blockquote>"This might not be the strongest evidence of its 'authenticity', but a producer-friend of mine from the UK once received a copy directly from [[Mike]] & [[Marcus]]. At some point a girlfriend of his stole it and it made its way onto eBay via her new partner. I don't remember whether he ever got it back or not... since he was an old friend of the duo (and not one of us fanboys!) it didn't really matter to him that much if I recall correctly." <i> - originalnlogax, Jan 18, 2011</i></blockquote>
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<blockquote>To wind up the authenticity issues, yes, myself and another producer received old tunes one and 2 as christmas presents from Mike and Marcus, and we made copies of each one, so we had a cassette of both each.
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The images that were seen on the now slightly legendary $900 Ebay auction were of my 1 original and a copy, with my handwriting in blue paint pen.
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The stories vary from the wildy inaccurate to the half true, how the tapes wound up on EBAY.
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Here`s what happened.
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While living in the USA, I used to visit my then girlfriend,a known ex moderator of the WATMM forum, Joanna Balsamo, AKA octavekitten in south florida, and after breaking up with her, she agreed to send back my belongings I had left at her house including the 2 OLD TUNES cassettes. I never recieved the package.
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I was told it was lost in the mail with no tracking or return address.
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Having no way of the tapes ever being returned to sender with no tracking info etc, they strangely then found their way into the hands of her next live -in boyfriend, who, after being told she was leaving town without him, tried to auction them off on Ebay to get rid of `parts of a past life` or some other post break up catharsis.
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Ms. Balsamo never re-appeared on [[WATMM|WATMM forum]] to attempt to clear her name, and proceeded to reinvent herself a scenester in an unrelated music genre in another city. this procedure of bailing and reinvention is a repeating pattern with Ms. B as drama is a forte of hers according to numerous victims.
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I was told the tapes that had been seen on ebay were copies of the originals and were not my property, but the large photographs that the auctioneer had posted in loving detail showing handwriting on the copied cassette, in blue paint pen proved this to be untrue.
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The intervening party that got them off ebay was myself, and possibly [[BOC]], I intervened simply out of respect for [[BOC]] having an item given in trust to someone ending up being ausctioned for an extortionate amount of money.
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The guy in question to my knowledge, still has them.. I called him at work once, he said hed send them back, but never did.
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Hopefully that will finally clear up the story.<i> - datathief, Jul 12, 2011</i></blockquote>
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=== 2013 ===
 
=== 2013 ===
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==== Story ====
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On the 1st of June, 2013, the original tapes of [[Old Tunes Vol. 2]], [[A Few Old Tunes]] and [[BoC Maxima]] surfaced on eBay.<ref>[https://www.twoism.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10732 "Old Tunes and BOC Maxima cassettes for sale on ebay"], thread on Twoism</ref>
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The first of June 2013 the original tapes of [[Old Tunes Vol. 2]], [[A Few Old Tunes]] and [[BoC Maxima]] surfaced on eBay. <ref>http://www.twoism.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10732</ref> They are being sold with their starting bids set respectively at £999.00 <ref>http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RARE-Original-Boards-Of-Canada-OLD-TUNES-VOl-2-cassette-1996-Music70-/111086979586?pt=UK_Music_Cassettes_GL&hash=item19dd4cca02</ref>, £999.00 <ref>http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RARE-Original-Boards-Of-Canada-A-FEW-OLD-TUNES-cassette-1996-Music70-/111086974522?pt=UK_Music_Cassettes_GL&hash=item19dd4cb63a</ref> and £99.00 <ref>http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RARE-ORIGINAL-Boards-Of-Canada-BOC-MAXIMA-cassette-1996-Music70-/111086954530?pt=UK_Music_Cassettes_GL&hash=item19dd4c6822</ref>.
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They were being sold with their starting bids set respectively at £999.00, £999.00 and £99.00, respectively. <ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20160906113040/http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RARE-Original-Boards-Of-Canada-OLD-TUNES-VOl-2-cassette-1996-Music70-/111086979586?pt=UK_Music_Cassettes_GL&hash=item19dd4cca02 "RARE Original Boards Of Canada 'OLD TUNES VOL 2' cassette 1996 Music70"], eBay listing</ref><ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20160906025115/http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RARE-Original-Boards-Of-Canada-A-FEW-OLD-TUNES-cassette-1996-Music70-/111086974522?pt=UK_Music_Cassettes_GL&hash=item19dd4cb63a "RARE Original Boards Of Canada 'A FEW OLD TUNES' cassette 1996 Music70"], eBay listing</ref><ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20151114230442/http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RARE-ORIGINAL-Boards-Of-Canada-BOC-MAXIMA-cassette-1996-Music70-/111086954530?pt=UK_Music_Cassettes_GL&hash=item19dd4c6822 "RARE ORIGINAL Boards Of Canada BOC MAXIMA cassette 1996 Music70"], eBay listing</ref>
  
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Lara Rix-Martin,[[Planet Mu]] label owner [[Mike Paradinas]]' wife <ref>http://www.factmag.com/2013/03/01/mike-paradinas-and-lara-rix-martin-on-heterotic-the-early-days-of-%C2%B5-ziq-and-the-ascent-of-planet-mu/</ref>, also known as [http://forum.watmm.com/user/9352-rixxx/ rixxx] on [[WATMM]] posted :
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Lara Rix-Martin, [[wikipedia:Planet Mu|Planet Mu]] label owner [[Mike Paradinas]]' wife,<ref>[https://www.factmag.com/2013/03/01/mike-paradinas-and-lara-rix-martin-on-heterotic-the-early-days-of-%C2%B5-ziq-and-the-ascent-of-planet-mu/ “We just called it techno”: Mike Paradinas and Lara Rix-Martin on Heterotic, the early days of µ-Ziq and the ascent of Planet Mu"], Angus Finlayson for Fact Magazine</ref> also known as rixxx on [[WATMM]] posted:
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* Sat 1st of June, 04:41 PM GMT+2 <ref>http://forum.watmm.com/topic/79122-boc-old-tunes-1-2-boc-maxima-orig-twosim-etc/?p=2014748</ref><ref><img src="http://i.imgur.com/z9XAL68.jpg" width="700px"></ref>
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* Sat 1st of June, 04:41 PM GMT+2 <ref name="watmm1">[https://web.archive.org/web/20150312200957/http://forum.watmm.com/topic/79122-boc-old-tunes-1-2-boc-maxima-orig-twosim-etc "Boc Old Tunes 1 + 2 / Boc Maxima / orig Twosim etc"], archived thread on WATMM, page 1</ref><ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20150705202911if_/http://i.imgur.com/z9XAL68.jpg</ref>
 
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oh get over yourselves, we've got a baby coming a mortgage to pay and what use are they sitting on a shelf? There's more than 10,000 records in this house I'm sure a couple aren't going to be missed.
 
oh get over yourselves, we've got a baby coming a mortgage to pay and what use are they sitting on a shelf? There's more than 10,000 records in this house I'm sure a couple aren't going to be missed.
 
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* Sat 1st of June, 07:10 PM GMT+2 <ref>http://forum.watmm.com/topic/79122-boc-old-tunes-1-2-boc-maxima-orig-twosim-etc/#entry2014810</ref><ref><img src="http://i.imgur.com/BUt8GMW.jpg" width="700px"></ref>
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* Sat 1st of June, 07:10 PM GMT+2 <ref name="watmm1" /><ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20150705214540if_/http://i.imgur.com/BUt8GMW.jpg</ref>
 
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We aren't rolling around in our own mess, but there's no point in us having these items at a time when we need to focus on sorting our finances out (I'm not going to be able to work for a while etc). Mike does have other unreleased stuff but he wont sell those because they havent been out there in the public domain, these tunes have been knocking about for years and people are well aware of them so it's not like they are being leaked.  
 
We aren't rolling around in our own mess, but there's no point in us having these items at a time when we need to focus on sorting our finances out (I'm not going to be able to work for a while etc). Mike does have other unreleased stuff but he wont sell those because they havent been out there in the public domain, these tunes have been knocking about for years and people are well aware of them so it's not like they are being leaked.  
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4th of June: Apparently all three auctions were canceled. "This listing was ended by the seller because the item is no longer available." <ref>http://www.twoism.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=205348#205348</ref><ref>http://www.twoism.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=205357#205357</ref>
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4th of June: Apparently all three auctions were canceled. "This listing was ended by the seller because the item is no longer available." <ref>[https://www.twoism.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=205348#p205348 "Old Tunes and BOC Maxima cassettes for sale on ebay"], thread on Twoism, page 15</ref>
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* Tue 3rd of June, 11:39 PM GMT+2 <ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20210607223113/https://forum.watmm.com/topic/79122-boc-old-tunes-1-2-boc-maxima-orig-twosim-etc/page/21/ "Boc Old Tunes 1 + 2 / Boc Maxima / orig Twosim etc"], archived thread on WATMM, page 21</ref><ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20150705212004if_/http://i.imgur.com/zbiHOrv.jpg</ref>
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The tapes have now been exchanged privately to a undisclosed seller. All three tapes are now not available.
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* Tue 4th of June, 12:11 AM GMT+2 <ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20210607223121/https://forum.watmm.com/topic/79122-boc-old-tunes-1-2-boc-maxima-orig-twosim-etc/page/22/ "Boc Old Tunes 1 + 2 / Boc Maxima / orig Twosim etc"], archived thread on WATMM, page 22</ref><ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20150705221039if_/http://i.imgur.com/p49gZju.jpg</ref>
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No one from related labels or BoC contacted us about any of the tapes.
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==== Destroying of Mike Paradinas' Tapes ====
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In 2013, a YouTube channel with the username [https://www.youtube.com/@oldtunesdestroyed "oldtunesdestroyed"], owned by [[Mike Paradinas]], uploaded three short videos showing the supposed destruction of his tapes.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20151231025000/https://forum.watmm.com/topic/79520-oldtunesdestroyed/ "Oldtunesdestroyed"], archived thread on WATMM</ref> This was confirmed to be fake a decade later in an AMA hosted on [[KEYOSC]].<ref name="fakes">[https://forum.keyosc.com/topic/639-aµa-ask-µ-ziq-anything/page/4/#findComment-14243 "AµA - Ask µ-Ziq Anything!"], thread on KEYOSC, page 4</ref>
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{{#widget:YouTube|id=HtfX3bV1MWQ|width=250|height=250}} {{#widget:YouTube|id=B20cM6AsMF8|width=250|height=250}} {{#widget:YouTube|id=OizXQmcu6Jk|width=250|height=250}}
  
 
==== eBay ====
 
==== eBay ====
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* [http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RARE-Original-Boards-Of-Canada-A-FEW-OLD-TUNES-cassette-1996-Music70-/111086974522?pt=UK_Music_Cassettes_GL&hash=item19dd4cb63a RARE Original Boards Of Canada 'A FEW OLD TUNES' cassette 1996 Music70]
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* [https://web.archive.org/web/20160906025115/http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RARE-Original-Boards-Of-Canada-A-FEW-OLD-TUNES-cassette-1996-Music70-/111086974522?pt=UK_Music_Cassettes_GL&hash=item19dd4cb63a RARE Original Boards Of Canada 'A FEW OLD TUNES' cassette 1996 Music70]
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* [http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RARE-Original-Boards-Of-Canada-OLD-TUNES-VOl-2-cassette-1996-Music70-/111086979586?pt=UK_Music_Cassettes_GL&hash=item19dd4cca02 RARE Original Boards Of Canada 'OLD TUNES VOL 2' cassette 1996 Music70]
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* [https://web.archive.org/web/20160906113040/http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RARE-Original-Boards-Of-Canada-OLD-TUNES-VOl-2-cassette-1996-Music70-/111086979586?pt=UK_Music_Cassettes_GL&hash=item19dd4cca02 RARE Original Boards Of Canada 'OLD TUNES VOL 2' cassette 1996 Music70]
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* [http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RARE-ORIGINAL-Boards-Of-Canada-BOC-MAXIMA-cassette-1996-Music70-/111086954530?pt=UK_Music_Cassettes_GL&hash=item19dd4c6822 RARE ORIGINAL Boards Of Canada BOC MAXIMA cassette 1996 Music70]
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* [https://web.archive.org/web/20151114230442/http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RARE-ORIGINAL-Boards-Of-Canada-BOC-MAXIMA-cassette-1996-Music70-/111086954530?pt=UK_Music_Cassettes_GL&hash=item19dd4c6822 RARE ORIGINAL Boards Of Canada BOC MAXIMA cassette 1996 Music70]
  
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=== 2011 ===
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=== 2025 ===
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In 2011, posts appeared on the review page for the A Few Old Tunes release on discogs.com, claiming to be by recipients of the original cassette tapes from Mike and Marcus Sandison. [[http://www.discogs.com/reviews/list?release=690476]]
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<blockquote>"This might not be the strongest evidence of its 'authenticity', but a producer-friend of mine from the UK once received a copy directly from Mike & Marcus. At some point a girlfriend of his stole it and it made its way onto eBay via her new partner. I don't remember whether he ever got it back or not... since he was an old friend of the duo (and not one of us fanboys!) it didn't really matter to him that much if I recall correctly." <i> - originalnlogax, Jan 18, 2011</i></blockquote>
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==== Photocopied Fakes ====
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On May 14th, 2025, [[Mike Paradinas]] confirmed in an AMA that the supposed [[Old_Tunes_saga#Destroying_of_Mike_Paradinas.27_Tapes|2013 destroying of the tapes]] was done on photocopied fakes and not the genuine copies in response to a question regarding the background music used in the videos:
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* Sat 14th of May, 13:46 PM GMT+2<ref name="fakes" />
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It's a [[BOC|boards]]-alike tune I created for the video. We didn't even destroy the tapes, I still have them, we just made photocopies and destroyed the fakes lol. It was a fun day. And no I don't know who Steinvord is.
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==== Sale of Mike Paradinas' tapes ====
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* In December 2025, it became clear that the following three tapes belonging to [[wikipedia:Mike Paradinas|Mike Paradinas]]: [[A Few Old Tunes]], [[Old Tunes Vol. 2]], and [[BoC Maxima]], were sold for a considerable amount to a Reddit user, FutMob1le, whose account has since been closed. <ref>[https://www.reddit.com/r/boardsofcanada/comments/1pd773j/deleted_by_user/ deleted Reddit post, originally titled "Thank you Mike"]</ref> The rare [[BoC]] tapes that surfaced have been confirmed as real by [[Mike Paradinas]].<ref>[https://www.reddit.com/r/boardsofcanada/comments/1pdddg7/the_rare_boc_tapes_that_surfaced_here_have_been/ "The rare boc tapes that surfaced here have been confirmed as real by Mike P"], thread on Reddit</ref> The user is also known as [https://www.twoism.org/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6133 Samamdj] on [[Twoism (forum)|Twoism]] where he posted about the authenticity of a  [[BoC Maxima]] tape early November 2025.<ref>[https://www.twoism.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=15847 "BOC Maxima Cassette tape"], thread on Twoism</ref>
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==== Some Old Tunes (1985-1996) ====
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* On December 24th 2025, a [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S7cVCFUqE8 video] was uploaded by [[Twoism (forum)|Twoism]] user babylulu containing high quality versions of 11 tracks from [[Old Tunes Vol. 1]] and [[Old Tunes Vol. 2|Vol. 2]]. The original source of these tracks is an anonymous contact of babylulu.<ref>[https://www.twoism.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=15880 "sɐɯʇsᴉɹɥɔ ʎɹɹǝɯ"], thread on Twoism</ref> Although their provenance is uncertain, they are generally believed to be legitimate.
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'''Tracklist'''
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# "[[Spectrum]]"
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# "[[Finity]]"
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# "[[Carcan]]"
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# "[[I Will Get It Tattooed]]"
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# "[[Sequoia]]"
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# "[[5.9.78]]"
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# "[[Bmx Track|BMX Track]]"
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# "[[Hiscroes]]"
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# "[[Alpha Rainbow]]"
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# "[[Northern Plastics]]"
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# "[[I Love My New Shears]]"
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<blockquote>To wind up the authenticity issues, yes, myself and another producer received old tunes one and 2 as christmas presents from Mike and Marcus, and we made copies of each one, so we had a cassette of both each.
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=== 2026 ===
  
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The images that were seen on the now slightly legendary $900 Ebay auction were of my 1 original and a copy, with my handwriting in blue paint pen.
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==== New Tape Rips ====
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[[Old Tunes saga#Samamdj|Samamdj]] ripped the ''[[Boc Maxima (release)|Boc Maxima]]'', ''[[A Few Old Tunes]]'', and ''[[Old Tunes Vol. 2]]'' tapes in high quality in January 2026.
  
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The stories vary from the wildy inaccurate to the half true, how the tapes wound up on EBAY.
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===== Boc Maxima (1996) =====
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* Info: ''[[Boc Maxima (release)|Boc Maxima]]''
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* HQ download: [https://archive.org/details/boc-maxima-a single files] + [https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1n472RPWIfE5NkRqxBYw1eOQZRKEcJ4uQ split files]
  
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Here`s what happened.
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While living in the USA, I used to visit my then girlfriend,a known ex moderator of the WATMM forum, Joanna Balsamo, AKA octavekitten in south florida, and after breaking up with her, she agreed to send back my belongings I had left at her house including the 2 OLD TUNES cassettes. I never recieved the package.
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===== A Few Old Tunes (1996) =====
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* Info: ''[[A Few Old Tunes]]''
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* HQ download: [https://archive.org/details/a-few-old-tunes-a_202602 single files] + [https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1mO4eM2JYyk1haY8-dBhWpwve3sg3bies split files]
  
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I was told it was lost in the mail with no tracking or return address.
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Having no way of the tapes ever being returned to sender with no tracking info etc, they strangely then found their way into the hands of her next live -in boyfriend, who, after being told she was leaving town without him, tried to auction them off on Ebay to get rid of `parts of a past life` or some other post break up catharsis.
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===== Old Tunes Vol. 2 (1996) =====
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* Info: ''[[Old Tunes Vol. 2]]''
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* HQ download: [https://archive.org/details/old-tunes-vol.-2-b single files] + [https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1SUH6zhZtKteDC7aSRcbf2UYCOLaxgGpd split files]
  
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Ms. Balsamo never re-appeared on WATMM forum to attempt to clear her name, and proceeded to reinvent herself a scenester in an unrelated music genre in another city. this procedure of bailing and reinvention is a repeating pattern with Ms. B as drama is a forte of hers according to numerous victims.
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I was told the tapes that had been seen on ebay were copies of the originals and were not my property, but the large photographs that the auctioneer had posted in loving detail showing handwriting on the copied cassette, in blue paint pen proved this to be untrue.
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===== Random 35 Tracks Tape (1995) =====
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* Info: ''[[Random 35 Tracks Tape]]''
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* HQ download: [https://archive.org/details/a-01_20260526_202605 v1] + [https://archive.org/details/a-01_20260526/ v2]
  
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The intervening party that got them off ebay was myself, and possibly BOC, I intervened simply out of respect for BOC having an item given in trust to someone ending up being ausctioned for an extortionate amount of money.
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The guy in question to my knowledge, still has them.. I called him at work once, he said hed send them back, but never did.
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v1 is faster, bit quieter, ripped using a different deck, source for a rather obscure real audio leak from the early 00s that is audibly faster
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Hopefully that will finally clear up the story.<i> - datathief, Jul 12, 2011</i></blockquote>
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=== 2005 ===
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[[Hexagon_Sun_Official]] posted the following on [[WATMM]] on February 15, 2005, in response to the (subsequently cancelled) auction of original [[Old Tunes]] tapes on ebay by [[Prince Murat]];
 
 
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OK The reason it was jumped on was this: Warp and BOC have been in talks for a long while about<br>putting out a box set of old tracks from these tapes and others, with new packaging and art, to<br>be released sometime after the forthcoming record. The tapes were private comps given out to close<br>friends a few years ago, long before the band imagined there would be this kind of interest,<br>and long before the likes of Soulseek etc existed.<br>The tracks are out there now, nothing can be done about that, they've been circulating for a while<br>and fans have them, so the decision was taken to at least consider tidying them up and repackaging<br>them with decent exclusive artwork & more rarities. BOC never wanted these tracks presented this<br>way, mislabelled and as poor-quality MP3 files.<br>There's no 'hype', these comps were never listed on any old discogs as they were never intended<br>for mass release in the first place.<br>Now the intention is still to get round to scheduling a release of these tunes and other rare<br>comps, but unscrupulous people like '[[Prince Murat|prince murat]]' are obviously stealing the thunder of the<br>proposed releases, whilst trying to make a tidy profit in the process (a starting price of $799<br>speaks volumes about 'prince murat's true intentions. who is trying to profit from hype here?<br>if any money is going to be involved, surely the artist who wrote those tracks should be receiving<br>the royalties, and not this person? there's no difference between this kind of profiteering<br>and someone trying to sell a bootleg CDR of Beck's new album months prior to release.)<br>Anyway, now you know, we hope the intervention hasn't caused too much negative feeling,<br>after all the concern that Warp and BOC have is that basically it's going to spoil the<br>impact of a nice release that hopefully will be enjoyed by the fans.<br><br>-[[mark]], [[Hexagon Sun|hs]]
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==Verified Tape Owners==
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===Sean Booth===
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Member of [[Autechre]], given copies of ''[[Old Tunes Vol. 1]]'', ''[[Old Tunes Vol. 2|Vol. 2]]'', and ''[[Boc Maxima (release)|Boc Maxima]]'' by [[Boards of Canada]] as gifts, as well as "some [[Hell Interface]] tapes". He also received a tape of [[Boards of Canada]]'s unreleased cover of [[Autechre]]'s track "[[Autechre - Cichli (Boards of Canada Cover)|Cichli]]" at some point, as well as an original copy of ''[[Twoism (release)|Twoism]]'' from the [[Boards of Canada]] in 1995. It is presumed that Sean Booth is still in possession of all this material.
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===Mike Paradinas===
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[[wikipedia:Mike_Paradinas|Mike Paradinas]], also known as μ-Ziq, was given copies of the tapes ''[[Old Tunes Vol. 1]]'', ''[[Old Tunes Vol. 2|Vol. 2]]'', and ''[[Boc Maxima (release)|Boc Maxima]]'', as well as the ''[[Twoism (release)|Twoism]]'' EP around 1996. In 2013 he filmed a video where he pretended to destroy the Old Tunes tapes. These tapes, as well as his copy of ''[[Boc Maxima (release)|Boc Maxima]]'', were later sold to samamdj (see below) in 2025.
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===Datathief===
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His copies of ''[[A Few Old Tunes]]'' and ''[[Old Tunes Vol. 2]]'' have been stolen by [[Prince Murat]] and eBay in 2005.
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===Prince Murat===
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He stole [[Datathief|datathief]]'s tapes of ''[[A Few Old Tunes]]'' and ''[[Old Tunes Vol. 2]]'', and sold them on eBay
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===Samamdj===
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[[Samamdj]] spent 5000 pounds on [[Mike Paradinas]]' tapes and actually delivered [[Old Tunes saga#New Tape Rips|studio rips]] of them.
  
 
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* [[Old Tunes Vol. 2]]
 
* [[Old Tunes Vol. 2]]
 
* [[BoC Maxima]]
 
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Latest revision as of 19:04, 26 May 2026

From all the releases in Boards of Canada's early discography, the Old Tunes series (A Few Old Tunes and Old Tunes Vol. 2) and Boc Maxima exist in a special state. As all three tapes were handmade and released by the duo themselves, they exist in limited quantities and are incredibly rare to acquire. Though they have never received reissues, all three tapes are widely available on the Internet and P2P networks, though in low quality. The reselling and ripping of these tapes in higher quality has attracted controversy. This page attempts to list some of these developments.

Timeline

2005

Hexagon_Sun_Official posted the following on WATMM on February 15, 2005, in response to the (subsequently cancelled) auction of original Old Tunes tapes on ebay by Prince Murat;

OK The reason it was jumped on was this: Warp and BOC have been in talks for a long while about
putting out a box set of old tracks from these tapes and others, with new packaging and art, to
be released sometime after the forthcoming record. The tapes were private comps given out to close
friends a few years ago, long before the band imagined there would be this kind of interest,
and long before the likes of Soulseek etc existed.
The tracks are out there now, nothing can be done about that, they've been circulating for a while
and fans have them, so the decision was taken to at least consider tidying them up and repackaging
them with decent exclusive artwork & more rarities. BOC never wanted these tracks presented this
way, mislabelled and as poor-quality MP3 files.
There's no 'hype', these comps were never listed on any old discogs as they were never intended
for mass release in the first place.
Now the intention is still to get round to scheduling a release of these tunes and other rare
comps, but unscrupulous people like 'prince murat' are obviously stealing the thunder of the
proposed releases, whilst trying to make a tidy profit in the process (a starting price of $799
speaks volumes about 'prince murat's true intentions. who is trying to profit from hype here?
if any money is going to be involved, surely the artist who wrote those tracks should be receiving
the royalties, and not this person? there's no difference between this kind of profiteering
and someone trying to sell a bootleg CDR of Beck's new album months prior to release.)
Anyway, now you know, we hope the intervention hasn't caused too much negative feeling,
after all the concern that Warp and BOC have is that basically it's going to spoil the
impact of a nice release that hopefully will be enjoyed by the fans.

-mark, hs

2011

In 2011, posts appeared on the review page for the A Few Old Tunes release on Discogs, claiming to be by recipients of the original cassette tapes from Mike and Marcus Sandison. [1]

"This might not be the strongest evidence of its 'authenticity', but a producer-friend of mine from the UK once received a copy directly from Mike & Marcus. At some point a girlfriend of his stole it and it made its way onto eBay via her new partner. I don't remember whether he ever got it back or not... since he was an old friend of the duo (and not one of us fanboys!) it didn't really matter to him that much if I recall correctly." - originalnlogax, Jan 18, 2011
To wind up the authenticity issues, yes, myself and another producer received old tunes one and 2 as christmas presents from Mike and Marcus, and we made copies of each one, so we had a cassette of both each.

The images that were seen on the now slightly legendary $900 Ebay auction were of my 1 original and a copy, with my handwriting in blue paint pen.

The stories vary from the wildy inaccurate to the half true, how the tapes wound up on EBAY.

Here`s what happened.

While living in the USA, I used to visit my then girlfriend,a known ex moderator of the WATMM forum, Joanna Balsamo, AKA octavekitten in south florida, and after breaking up with her, she agreed to send back my belongings I had left at her house including the 2 OLD TUNES cassettes. I never recieved the package.

I was told it was lost in the mail with no tracking or return address.

Having no way of the tapes ever being returned to sender with no tracking info etc, they strangely then found their way into the hands of her next live -in boyfriend, who, after being told she was leaving town without him, tried to auction them off on Ebay to get rid of `parts of a past life` or some other post break up catharsis.

Ms. Balsamo never re-appeared on WATMM forum to attempt to clear her name, and proceeded to reinvent herself a scenester in an unrelated music genre in another city. this procedure of bailing and reinvention is a repeating pattern with Ms. B as drama is a forte of hers according to numerous victims.

I was told the tapes that had been seen on ebay were copies of the originals and were not my property, but the large photographs that the auctioneer had posted in loving detail showing handwriting on the copied cassette, in blue paint pen proved this to be untrue.

The intervening party that got them off ebay was myself, and possibly BOC, I intervened simply out of respect for BOC having an item given in trust to someone ending up being ausctioned for an extortionate amount of money.

The guy in question to my knowledge, still has them.. I called him at work once, he said hed send them back, but never did.

Hopefully that will finally clear up the story. - datathief, Jul 12, 2011

2013

On the 1st of June, 2013, the original tapes of Old Tunes Vol. 2, A Few Old Tunes and BoC Maxima surfaced on eBay.[2] They were being sold with their starting bids set respectively at £999.00, £999.00 and £99.00, respectively. [3][4][5]

Lara Rix-Martin, Planet Mu label owner Mike Paradinas' wife,[6] also known as rixxx on WATMM posted:

  • Sat 1st of June, 04:41 PM GMT+2 [7][8]

oh get over yourselves, we've got a baby coming a mortgage to pay and what use are they sitting on a shelf? There's more than 10,000 records in this house I'm sure a couple aren't going to be missed.

  • Sat 1st of June, 07:10 PM GMT+2 [7][9]

We aren't rolling around in our own mess, but there's no point in us having these items at a time when we need to focus on sorting our finances out (I'm not going to be able to work for a while etc). Mike does have other unreleased stuff but he wont sell those because they havent been out there in the public domain, these tunes have been knocking about for years and people are well aware of them so it's not like they are being leaked.

It seems to me people are more pissed off with the price that some of the bids are starting from (even though it would have got to that by now?) rather than the fact we are selling them.

4th of June: Apparently all three auctions were canceled. "This listing was ended by the seller because the item is no longer available." [10]


  • Tue 3rd of June, 11:39 PM GMT+2 [11][12]

The tapes have now been exchanged privately to a undisclosed seller. All three tapes are now not available.

  • Tue 4th of June, 12:11 AM GMT+2 [13][14]

No one from related labels or BoC contacted us about any of the tapes.

Destroying of Mike Paradinas' Tapes

In 2013, a YouTube channel with the username "oldtunesdestroyed", owned by Mike Paradinas, uploaded three short videos showing the supposed destruction of his tapes.[15] This was confirmed to be fake a decade later in an AMA hosted on KEYOSC.[16]

eBay

2025

Photocopied Fakes

On May 14th, 2025, Mike Paradinas confirmed in an AMA that the supposed 2013 destroying of the tapes was done on photocopied fakes and not the genuine copies in response to a question regarding the background music used in the videos:

  • Sat 14th of May, 13:46 PM GMT+2[16]

It's a boards-alike tune I created for the video. We didn't even destroy the tapes, I still have them, we just made photocopies and destroyed the fakes lol. It was a fun day. And no I don't know who Steinvord is.

Sale of Mike Paradinas' tapes

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Some Old Tunes (1985-1996)

  • On December 24th 2025, a video was uploaded by Twoism user babylulu containing high quality versions of 11 tracks from Old Tunes Vol. 1 and Vol. 2. The original source of these tracks is an anonymous contact of babylulu.[20] Although their provenance is uncertain, they are generally believed to be legitimate.

Tracklist

  1. "Spectrum"
  2. "Finity"
  3. "Carcan"
  4. "I Will Get It Tattooed"
  5. "Sequoia"
  6. "5.9.78"
  7. "BMX Track"
  8. "Hiscroes"
  9. "Alpha Rainbow"
  10. "Northern Plastics"
  11. "I Love My New Shears"

2026

New Tape Rips

Samamdj ripped the Boc Maxima, A Few Old Tunes, and Old Tunes Vol. 2 tapes in high quality in January 2026.

Boc Maxima (1996)

A Few Old Tunes (1996)

Old Tunes Vol. 2 (1996)

Random 35 Tracks Tape (1995)

v1:

v1 is faster, bit quieter, ripped using a different deck, source for a rather obscure real audio leak from the early 00s that is audibly faster

v2:

v2 is the source for nearly every other leak of r35tt, but obviously lossless and without any post-processing like NR

Verified Tape Owners

Sean Booth

Member of Autechre, given copies of Old Tunes Vol. 1, Vol. 2, and Boc Maxima by Boards of Canada as gifts, as well as "some Hell Interface tapes". He also received a tape of Boards of Canada's unreleased cover of Autechre's track "Cichli" at some point, as well as an original copy of Twoism from the Boards of Canada in 1995. It is presumed that Sean Booth is still in possession of all this material.

Mike Paradinas

Mike Paradinas, also known as μ-Ziq, was given copies of the tapes Old Tunes Vol. 1, Vol. 2, and Boc Maxima, as well as the Twoism EP around 1996. In 2013 he filmed a video where he pretended to destroy the Old Tunes tapes. These tapes, as well as his copy of Boc Maxima, were later sold to samamdj (see below) in 2025.

Datathief

His copies of A Few Old Tunes and Old Tunes Vol. 2 have been stolen by Prince Murat and eBay in 2005.

Prince Murat

He stole datathief's tapes of A Few Old Tunes and Old Tunes Vol. 2, and sold them on eBay

Samamdj

Samamdj spent 5000 pounds on Mike Paradinas' tapes and actually delivered studio rips of them.

See Also

External Links

References

  1. ↑ https://www.discogs.com/release/690476-A-Few-Old-Tunes/reviews/list, reviews for "A Few Old Tunes" on Discogs
  2. ↑ "Old Tunes and BOC Maxima cassettes for sale on ebay", thread on Twoism
  3. ↑ "RARE Original Boards Of Canada 'OLD TUNES VOL 2' cassette 1996 Music70", eBay listing
  4. ↑ "RARE Original Boards Of Canada 'A FEW OLD TUNES' cassette 1996 Music70", eBay listing
  5. ↑ "RARE ORIGINAL Boards Of Canada BOC MAXIMA cassette 1996 Music70", eBay listing
  6. ↑ “We just called it techno”: Mike Paradinas and Lara Rix-Martin on Heterotic, the early days of µ-Ziq and the ascent of Planet Mu", Angus Finlayson for Fact Magazine
  7. ↑ 7.0 7.1 "Boc Old Tunes 1 + 2 / Boc Maxima / orig Twosim etc", archived thread on WATMM, page 1
  8. ↑ https://web.archive.org/web/20150705202911if_/http://i.imgur.com/z9XAL68.jpg
  9. ↑ https://web.archive.org/web/20150705214540if_/http://i.imgur.com/BUt8GMW.jpg
  10. ↑ "Old Tunes and BOC Maxima cassettes for sale on ebay", thread on Twoism, page 15
  11. ↑ "Boc Old Tunes 1 + 2 / Boc Maxima / orig Twosim etc", archived thread on WATMM, page 21
  12. ↑ https://web.archive.org/web/20150705212004if_/http://i.imgur.com/zbiHOrv.jpg
  13. ↑ "Boc Old Tunes 1 + 2 / Boc Maxima / orig Twosim etc", archived thread on WATMM, page 22
  14. ↑ https://web.archive.org/web/20150705221039if_/http://i.imgur.com/p49gZju.jpg
  15. ↑ "Oldtunesdestroyed", archived thread on WATMM
  16. ↑ 16.0 16.1 "AµA - Ask µ-Ziq Anything!", thread on KEYOSC, page 4
  17. ↑ deleted Reddit post, originally titled "Thank you Mike"
  18. ↑ "The rare boc tapes that surfaced here have been confirmed as real by Mike P", thread on Reddit
  19. ↑ "BOC Maxima Cassette tape", thread on Twoism
  20. ↑ "sɐɯʇsᴉɹɥɔ ʎɹɹǝɯ", thread on Twoism

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Discography Overview | view ⬢ edit
Albums Music Has the Right to Children ⬢ Geogaddi ⬢ The Campfire Headphase ⬢ Tomorrow's Harvest ⬢ Inferno
EPs Twoism ⬢ Hi Scores ⬢ Aquarius ⬢ Peel Session ⬢ In a Beautiful Place out in the Country ⬢ Trans Canada Highway
Singles Reach For The Dead ⬢ Introit / Prophecy At 1420 MHz
Rare / Early Releases Catalog 3 ⬢ Acid Memories ⬢ Closes Vol. 1 ⬢ Play by Numbers ⬢ Hooper Bay ⬢ Boc Maxima ⬢ Old Tunes Vol. 1 ⬢ Old Tunes Vol. 2 ⬢ Random 35 Tracks Tape ⬢ Boc Remii Vol. 1
Mixtapes Marcus Eoin's Campfire Mixtape ⬢ Societas x Tape
Live Sets Live @ Warp10 ⬢ Live @ Lighthouse ⬢ Live @ ATP ⬢ All Gigs
Promotional Releases Telephasic Workshop ⬢ MHTRTC (promo cassette) ⬢ Orange Romeda ⬢ Geogaddi (promo lp) ⬢ Geogaddi (test pressing) ⬢ Geogaddi (promo cassette) ⬢ ------ / ------ / ------ / XXXXXX / ------ / ------ ⬢ Reach For The Dead (promo cd) ⬢ Come To Dust (promo cd)
Compilation Exclusives Korona ⬢ Orange Romeda ⬢ Seven Forty Seven
Produced by BoC for Others Here Come The Rubber Cops ⬢ Orangutang
Bootleg Releases Unreleased Tracks
Other Kaleidoscope ⬢ Promotional Events ⬢ Promotional Items ⬢ Merchandise ⬢ Web media
Lead-up RSD 2013 ARG ⬢ Road to Inferno ⬢ 2026 Promo Campaign
To Be Determined BoCset



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